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Pirates of the Hoyay

Am I the only person who noticed that Johnny Depp drew on his two roles in Before Night Falls to create the character of Jack Sparrow in Pirates of the Caribbean?

Johnny Depp as Lieutenant Victor + Johnny Depp as Bon Bon =

Johnny Depp as Jack Sparrow

I can't be, as Melanie Haupt credits the "hoyay and gender-performance subversion" as her favorite part of the movie.

"Hoyay", by the way, was a new term to me. The Television Without Pity FAQ defines it:

HoYay: short for "Homoeroticism, Yay!," a celebration of textual and subtextual homoeroticism

That sounds like a pretty useful word. I need to figure out how to submit it to WordSpy.

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We only need to quote the word everywhere, and then it will emerge on its own. That's the theory, at least.

Camilo [camilo cxe confusedkid punkto com] • 2003.09.04
Hoyay rocks. I think it emerged in the Angel forum; at least that's where I got to know and love it.

Reen • 2003.09.05
You may be right, Maureen. There's a rather unintelligible account of its origin which credits it to Angel fans.

Prentiss Riddle [riddle cxe io punkto com] • 2003.09.05
Mr. Depp claims in widely circulated interviews to have channeled both Keith Richards and Pepe Le Pew for his Capt. Jack Sparrow portrayal.

Gabriel Suerte [gabriel cxe suerte punkto com] • 2003.09.05
Thanks for the reminder, Gabriel. I can see the resemblance with Keith Richards and I'd heard of the Pepe LePew connection. But Pepe was too aggressively heterosexual for me to relate him to Jack Sparrow.

Actually I wonder whether some of the hoyay I and others have perceived in Jack isn't really indifference to women because they would interfere with his true love, strong drink. The castaway scene would support this idea. I could swear I read a review recently of a book which characterized pirate life this way but I can't find it in Google, not even in their obsessively extensive Listmania lists on piracy.

By the way, the books most pertinent to the topic of queer pirates, the luridly titled Rum, Sodomy and the Lash and Sodomy and the Pirate Tradition, seem to be little more than scholarly hoyay themselves; according to Amazon's reviewers there's not much direct textual evidence for gay pirate life so they rely primarily on subtext.

Prentiss Riddle [riddle cxe io punkto com] • 2003.09.05
(Disclaimers I was too drowsy to add last night: 1. Artists aren't always forthright about or aware of everything going on in their work. 2. I haven't seen the movie in question.)

Gabriel Suerte [gabriel cxe suerte punkto com] • 2003.09.05
HoYay really is the best.

Have you seen Depp in Ed Wood? He's in drag as well. I believe he said after the Ichabod Crane film that he played Ich as if he was a school girl.

linden [lindenen cxe aol punkto com] • 2003.09.08
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