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Ooh, yuck: relief for aphthous ulcers

I've had a life-long problem with painful mouth sores, and I'm sure you want to hear all about it. No? Well, then this is for all the Googlers out there with the same problem. The rest of you can skip it.

After years of wondering whether I had some dreaded social disease, I've been assured by several dental and medical professionals that what I have are aphthous ulcers. They are a somewhat mysterious, non-contagious auto-immune problem: sometimes the mucous membranes in my mouth fight with themselves, resulting in a sore that takes a while to heal. Several things seem to aggravate them, including stress and certain foods, but the usual trigger is trauma -- a bump, or biting my cheek, or a visit to the dentist. Like this month when I had a root canal done, and ulcers sprang up wherever the dentist's tools abraded my mouth, putting raw sores in a strategic location to be irritated by the stubs of the sutures in my gum. Ow!

I've tried every over-the-counter and prescription remedy I could find. Three things seem to help:

  1. Rembrandt Canker Relief Gel. Actually, any over-the-counter benzocaine-based ointment provides temporary relief, but this one works the best for me. Unfortunately the Rembrandt soothing mouthwash didn't do much, nor did their special toothpaste. (Uh-oh -- this item seems to be sold out everywhere and is no longer listed at the Rembrandt site -- don't tell me they've discontinued it!)
  2. Chlorhexidine gluconate oral rinse. Doesn't provide a quick fix, but a couple of days of rinsing with this stuff seems to make the sores heal up. It's said to turn your teeth brown if you use it too often, but the real downside is that it messes up your taste perception so everything tastes awful for several hours after you use it. (Maybe it would work for weight loss. :-) )
  3. Debacterol. "Sulphuric acid and sulfonated phenolics in aqueous solution" -- this is the elephant gun, to use when a sore is in an especially painful place and I can't stand it. Basically it cauterizes the exposed tissue so the sore is still there but no longer feeling pain. I'm not sure I'm supposed to have this stuff; the product literature is all aimed at dentists (I scored my little bottle from a dental assistant). It seems potentially quite dangerous if I get it in an eye or some other vulnerable spot, so I use it with extreme caution.
There you have it. Let us all pray for a cure before I post again.
time 2002.04.18 link
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Comments

Folks in sci.med.dentistry recommended a fourth option: a prescription medication that comes in a tube under the name Aphthasol. One says it's "a little difficult to apply, but the results are great...healing in a couple of days rather than 10-14 days."

Prentiss Riddle [riddle ARROBA io PUNTO com] • 2002.05.03
I have 1 comment and 1 question: first, try getting Zovirax anti-viral ointment. Nobody seems to agree whether canker sores are viral in nature, but my dentist told me to apply this to a sore when you first feel that little bump beginning. I've been using this for months, and it almost always stops the sore before it begins (doesn't work once the open sore is already forming). I'd ask about it. Warning: it tastes awful.

As for Debacterol, my question is: how well does it work for you? Is it worth the pain of an acid burn to stop the sore? How many have you treated with Debacterol that have ended up re-emerging? I've found this stuff online for $39.99 per 1 CC bottle...yikes! Better be worth it!

Bill (fellow sufferer) [wturri78 cxe yahoo punkto com] • 2003.07.07
Thanks for the tip about Zovirax. I sure hope that apthous ulcers are not viral in nature, because I want to believe all the dentists and MDs who have told me I don't have to worry about infecting my loved ones. I'll give Zovirax a try anyway.

I've don't think I've ever had a Debacterol-treated sore reemerge. I find it worth the pain because I only use it on sores which are particularly painful to begin with (rubbing on a tooth, interfering with eating or smiling). I find I can tolerate a momentary pain that I know will end batter than an ongoing one, but your mileage may vary. The $40/cc price is steep and might keep me away, although compared with what I spend on other medicines or doctors' and dentists' bills it's not that bad. One thing to try might be to find out whether your dentist has samples, or ask for a test treatment some time when you're in the dentist's office for a cleaning.

Good luck!

Prentiss Riddle [riddle cxe io punkto com] • 2003.07.07
I stumbled upon the Prentiss Riddle website while searching for Debacterol. I have tried sooo many different things for my mouth ulcers, and Debacterol is the one thing I will swear by to rid of them in a timely manner. I have had ulcers last up to a month. I have had an entire mouth full of them at one time. I worked as a dental assistant and managed to get a sample from the dentist I worked for. He would sell samples (.75ml) for $17.00--to only a couple of his patients. He was known to be a bit unethical...mostly why I no longer work for him, but, I am thankful that I learned of Debacterol by working for him. If only we were on speaking terms, I may be able to get some more from him. Since that's out of the question tho, I have been searching for another way to acquire it. Maybe someone can enlighten me on the least expensive way to do this.
PS: Zovirax never worked for me. Debacterol may sting like the dickens, but it's only momentarily, unlike the duration of these untreated ulcers. Ones treated with Debacterol go away faithfully within 3 days!

Dana Jones [cudajones cxe hotmail punkto com] • 2003.11.27
Thanks for the info, Dana. I haven't found an affordable way to get Debacterol.

I did, however, just hear about a cheap alternative which may also fall into the "burns like hellfire but promotes rapid healing" camp: baking soda. A friend says she dabs a little on with a cotton swab. I'm going to try it at my next outbreak.

Prentiss Riddle [riddle cxe io punkto com] • 2003.11.30
re: dEBACTEROL
Used for the first time yesterday and I am a believer. I have tried every treatment,oral and topical,use only the Enamel Saver Toothpaste (which I truly 100% believe in) and Debacterol stopped the pain immediately. It did cause quite a bit of swelling for several hours due to the severity of the ulcer itself. Today I am currently pain free after using the Debacterol over 20 hours ago.
Respectfully,
Janel Donahue

JANEL DONAHUE [JDKY502 cxe AOL punkto COM] • 2004.04.26
I also tried Zovirax with no success, but some of the websites I've reviewed stated that a viral infection may be just one of many potential catalysts for the sore. Thus, while it may work for some it may not work for others. One solution that I stumbled onto has worked wonders for me (I've suffered for probably 20 years.) I don't buy into Homeopathic medicines at all but I did read in a Aphthous Ulcer study that zinc treatment sometimes works. For 6 months now I've used a cold remedy called Zicam (oral mist version) with active ingredients Zincum Gluconicum and Zincum Aceticum. The bottom line is that I haven't had a sore progress past the "hard-pinprick" stage for 6 months and the pinprick is usually gone in 24-36 hours (as opposed to the weeks that prior sores seemed to last). It somehow kills the pain as well (although I wonder if its just being blocked by the bad taste the solution leaves)! This has worked well enough that I can even eat raw pineapple for the first time in years. I would be very interested to hear if this works for anyone else.
jk

Jason [jason_bruce_kell cxe hotmail punkto com] • 2004.05.06
Found this site searching for amlexanox. I used a tube and found that it does help somewhat, but recently the drug company who makes it is going to market a "dime" sized disc of it. See linked site in my name.

Paul • 2004.05.26
Any other alternatives to Zicam? I just googled to see if I could buy it and apparently it's linked to a permanent loss of smell; somebody is suing the makers. See link in my name.

Paul • 2004.05.27
I have been treated by my dentist, who specializes in oral medicine with a combination of Dexamethasone, Clobetesol and Tetracycline. I have great results and can hartily recomend this treatment. While this treatment does not cure the problem, the healing time is greatly reduced, pain is also and the recurrence seems to be less often. Ask your doctor or dentist. My dentist is Jeff Burgess, Federal Way, Washington, 253-874-2583. Oh yes, he does accept insurance and his services and the medications are covered by at least some insurance companies. Good luck to all.

JIm [jimvanvelzer cxe hotmail punkto com] • 2004.06.06
I swear by Debacterol; I've tried OTC Benzoczine gels and Rembrandt canker sore toothpaste with only limited success. I only began getting canker sores in the past year; prior to that I had a rare occaisional outbreak if I drank too much OJ. I mentioned the problem to my hygenist and she treated me with Debacterol b/c she uses it on herself frequently b/c she has chronic canker sores. It stung wicked for a few seconds but after the treatment (I had 6 lesions!)the pain was gone and they all healed up within a few days. She tried to get the dentist to sell me some but he refused. She snuck me the Debacterol left from my treatment and I used it at home until it was gone. My dentist charges $10 per treatment and more than the cost, the incovenience makes it difficult to jump on a sore as it is starting b/c its usually at night or on the weekend... I just ordered my own $40 bottle of Debacterol although it is supposed to only be sold to dental professionals. I am an RN so technically I'm probably covered.

Diane [dianebarry cxe comcast punkto net] • 2004.06.19
Has your doctor prescribed an anti-depressant to help with the stress related outbreaks. Not meaning you are depressed, but helping keep your body's chemical response to stress decreased, thus decreasing the outbreaks. Comments please?????

Karen [k2mckraus cxe cox punkto net] • 2004.07.08
Forgive me for coming late to the game, but have you all discussed what could be causing this problem? After an extended bout with painful tongue lesions, my friend, a former ear-note-throat doctor, who also suffered for years, told me to find a toothpaste without sodium lauryl sulfate. That's hard to do, because almost all toothpastes (as well as shampoos) have it. I did find one, called "Natural White", at my local supermarket. I'm told Rembrandt also makes a special one "for canker sore sufferers", but I was unable to find it. Anyway, both my ENT friend and I have not suffered ANY ulcers since changing to the right toothpaste. My dentist also cautioned to stay away from tartar control toothpastes, as some people are also sensitive to that. Meanwhile, for relief, Blistex makes a "professional strength" (20% benzocaine) product called Kanka, which burned like heck for a minute on my tonge but was an immediate fix. What a relief! Good luck to everyone.

Joanne Helperin [helperin cxe comcast punkto net] • 2004.07.09
Just an application hint for Debacterol... (btw.. I can't live without it - it is the most awesome thing invented since sliced bread!)

Try a little paintbrush. Dry the canker as well as you can, then apply the Debacterol with the little paintbrush. I get that tiny bottle and am able to make it last for at least 6 months. There is a lot less waste than using a Q-tip.

Juli [jumoe51 cxe yahoo punkto com] • 2004.07.29
My father gets mysterious mouth ulcers that comes and goes foe over 30yrs. The doctors donot know what it is and is believed to be brouhgt on by stress. It is like blisters all over his lips that burst open and bleed, he has had steriod based medication that cause serious side effects. can anyone offer any advise or have experianced somthing similar?

caroline Shoneyin [erhuerocaroline cxe hotmail punkto com] • 2004.07.30
My father gets mysterious mouth ulcers that comes and goes for over 30yrs. The doctors donot know what it is and is believed to be brouhgt on by stress. It is like blisters all over his lips that burst open and bleed, he has had steriod based medication that cause serious side effects. can anyone offer any advise or have experianced somthing similar?

caroline Shoneyin [erhuerocaroline cxe hotmail punkto com] • 2004.07.30
RE: USING A TINY PAINBRUSH VERSUS APPLYING DEBACTEROL WITH A Q-TIP. I HAVE BEEN TOLD TO USE THE END PART OF THE STERILE (Q-TIP) APPLICATOR..NOT AS MUCH WASTE AND SEEMS TO GET INTO THE LESION BETTER. I SWEAR BY DEBACTEROL..FOR SURE!!!

JANEL DONAHUE [JDKY502 cxe AOL punkto COM] • 2004.08.26
can a topical anesthetic be placed prior to using debacterol like benzocaine to decrease its pain?

alevra [evraal cxe hotmail punkto com] • 2004.08.27
My dentist gave me a bottle of debacterol. Greatest medicine ever!!! He only has the single apllications now. I get too many cankers to buy them indivually.

Jeremy [jeremybrowning4 cxe msn punkto com] • 2004.09.06
I found a great way to avoid canker sores caused by biting your lip or cheek. It's over the counter and is an amino acid supplement called L-Lysine. I've bought it at K-Mart and Food World. It's very economical, but the best thing is, it works! However, you MUST take it very soon after biting. If you wait until you feel the sting from the sore, it might help, but not nearly as well. Since using it, the bite either never develops into a sore, or it's mild and goes away without much pain. It comes in several mg's, but I usually start with 1,000 mg (1 gram) once a day for a day or two and then switch to 500 mg's. I suffered for 4 years, and the past two years I've tried this with great success. I must have forgotten how painful it was because I put off taking the L-Lysine last month and I regretted it. If you get canker sores for reasons other than biting yourself, an option is to take a tablet every day. Good luck!

Marilyn • 2004.11.02
Hey all-

Debacterol is now in individual use packs, or swabs. The company has now put the debacterol inside of the "q-tip"... they are trying to simplify the application to get it to consumer home use!

Check it out at "www.CankerSoreGone.com"

andrew [andrew cxe scientifichealth punkto net] • 2004.11.08
Anyone have any ideas as to how to get Debacterol in the old packaging? I have the individual applicators but when I find a tiny sore just beginning to develop, I have to use an entire Q-tip full of the stuff when I need so much less.

Gabe Wyner [wyner cxe usc punkto edu] • 2004.12.22
Strange but it works and I tell from experience. Try to dry the blister to your best and apply (super glue)or
(kraze glue)to the wound it doesn't hurt, it bather a little and it seals the wound so it give the body a chance to heal.
Note:colgate co. sales the same material for $10.00 while you can buy the exacte thing for a $1.00.

Other solution:also strange pray god, why, because he have the real medicine
and he is the real healer. I do that for others(praying) and it works fine
good luck

big brother [wkah1959 cxe hotmail punkto com] • 2005.02.17
I am depressed...I have been having canker sores for the past 15 years..up until 2 months ago, I got 1 or 2 sores that would take 7 to 10 days to heal...and everyone reading knows how painful it is..

However for the past 3 months, these canker sores have been EXPLODING...I get 10 to 15 all inside my mouth (mostly above and below the tongue, cheeks, etc)...and my life has been hell... I have seen about 6 doctors and no one has been helpful...
A month ago, the doc at Urgent care treated me with Bacterol but that did not really help (there were about 25 sores at that time)....he applied at one area only...so I am not sure if it really helped me..
I have ordered bacterol from cankegsorgone.. I hope to see some positive results so that I can live my "normal life" which I have not for the past 3 months....

Sam Kappagantula [sham_k cxe yahoo punkto com] • 2005.04.05
Like many of the people in this forum, I am a long time sufferer from canker sores, or as my dentist calls them: Recurrent Aphthous Ulcers. My outbreaks are pretty cyclical: four to six weeks of numerous sores on tongue and lips followed by three to five weeks of relative relief. Stress definitely coincides with outbreaks and affects the cycle. I had never heard of Debacterol as a treatment before reading the comments here, but I surely will because - and you all know this - living with these sores is the model of suffering.
Recently I have adopted a diverse approach and have, so far, noticed a slight improvement. Here's what I do:
No Sodium Lauryl Sulphate (found in toothpastes and mouthwashes)
No Benzoic Acid (preservative found in mouthwashes and many fruit drinks / sodas)
Take supplements of Iron, Vitamin B-12, and Folic Acid
Eat yogurt (with live cultures of L. Acidopholus)
The sores that do develop, I treat with over the counter Orabase solution (not the cream or gel, but the stuff that comes with applicators) because it covers them up and greatly reduces the pain for hours (or until you eat something when the coating often comes off).
In extreme outbreaks, I take prednisone - a corticosteroid that a doctor must prescribe - which has turned out to be a miracle drug. The prednisone regiment is seven days long and the sores are usually gone or barely there by the third day (even the really large sores). CAUTION: This steroid does have side-effects and isn't appropriate as a frequent solution, but when things get out of control, for me, it is a sure-thing problem-solver. Since I have had so much success with a systemic solution, I am hopeful that medical professionals are going to figure this problem out and help all of us out in the future by developing a drug that isn't as hard on the body as prednisone.

Jeff McMillan [bluemorg cxe optonline punkto net] • 2005.04.15
Has anyone tried Zo Micro AMB? Just saw it on a site while I was trying to order debacterol, which I've been given through my hygenist. Debacterol definitely WORKS, but the makers of Zo Micro AMB say their product doesn't destroy the tissue as does Debacterol as it's treating the ulcer. I haven't tried Zo Micro so I'd be interested to hear if someone has. It comes in a small "bullet shaped" bottle (looks almost like the little dabber used to wet the glue on an envelope) and can be carried in purse or pocket.

JoJo [heathnj cxe hotmail punkto com] • 2005.06.05
I also believe in this product. I used it once and it worked miracles. My question is, can a regular consumer go to the www.debacterol.com website and order it?

Binh [bcspam cxe gmail punkto com] • 2005.09.07
Please oh please!! Can *anyone* find the Debacterol in bottles any more?
Last year, I bought the 1ml in 2ml Glass Bottle for around $40 and it was the best thing I eve did!!
Unfortunately, it's running out - and i don't WANT the 'single use' doses!!

I can't for the life of me remember where I bought it online.

Help???

yndy [yndygo cxe gmail punkto com] • 2005.09.21
I went through a couple of years with constant canker sores, usually only one but often 3 or 4 at the same time. Getting rid of SLS in toothpaste made a HUGE difference (it takes a few months to notice it), but the greatest thing in the world is debacterol. Two months ago (before the SLS-free toothpaste took effect), my dentist treated two sores with debacterol and within hours the sores were totally gone.

Lori Oxford [lorios cxe uga punkto edu] • 2005.09.23
When I eat pineapple my old wounds on my tongue for a ski accident bleed. I have read that pineapple is very acidic and can burn your mouth. I have also seen information that pineapple is considered a toxic plant. One post talked about salicylic acid in the pineapple is more intense when the pineapple is not yet ripe. Some claim this helps remove damaged tissue and helps speed healing.


http://aprendizdetodo.com/time/?item=20020418

Scott [furblig cxe gmail punkto com] • 2005.12.21
I obtained debacterol from my dentist and made it last months - now she doesn't sell it anymore - I am looking everywhere for it. I don't want to cotton swabs as it seems such a waste. WHERE CAN I GET A BOTTLE???
I sure wish my dentist had told me she wasn't going to sell it anymore - I would have bought 4 or 5 bottles.

Linda [Linda punkto tolosi cxe bethfel punkto org] • 2005.12.23
i just went to the dentist for a huge canker sore on my lip that has been giving me hell for days, and he used Debacterol. My lip is swolleen, 1 hour later. Anybody else have this happen to them?

Emma Federico [emmabina cxe hotmail punkto com] • 2005.12.27
I checked with the dentist. The bottle is no longer available. They can only purchase the single use.

Your dentist can purchase 24 single use applicators for about $40 + shipping. On the web they are selling the 24 for about $200. Talk to your dentist and see if they will sell it to you at cost, or somewhere close.

Juli [jumoe51 cxe yahoo punkto com] • 2006.01.26
Looks like the 1.5ml bottle of Debacterol is still on sale here... http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.314163/sc.2/.f

Site looks a bit too dodgy for me. Post is if works for you.

Petergunn [petergunn cxe hotmail punkto com] • 2006.03.29
I called the manufacturer. Your dentist can order a 1.5 ml bottle for 49.95 plus shipping. Tell your dentist to call 1-888-884-4675 or go to https://www.epien.com/contact_us.html

Good luck. DEBACTEROL is all that ever worked for me.

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Derek [derekgreenwood cxe gmail punkto com] • 2006.04.11
I ordered a half dozen 0.75 ml bottles in 2001. It was not more than $70 or so incl shipping. The company did not require a license number at the time.

I wish that I bought more because I am down to my last bottle now. I am going to try to figure out if one can buy the creosote free version (Hyben OTC in Canada or the US as they claim on their website.

The whole FDA medical approval process in this country is a joke. Apparently they can't sell HybenX without a prohibitive process. The only difference is that they took out the creosote!

FLR [flr cxe hotmail punkto com] • 2006.04.19
Fluticasone spray or nebules applied to ulcers as soon as you feel them coming works brilliantly as it is a steroid. I take azothiaprine which hasn't worked for me and I am about to try thalidomide as a last resort. Will keep you posted. I find debacterol wonderful but my ulcers are so large they return after about 3 days. Mind you any reief is sacred. Good luck everyone

Tina • 2006.05.01
http://www.smartbrief.com/news/gma/industryBW-detail.jsp?id=656DE7F4-9B81-49C1-BA05-EA37D410A445&brief=GMA

I called Galpharm in the UK and they are shipping product to Boots under private label. I am going to the UK on May 4 and pray that Boots has it in stock. It's sold as "Boots Mouth Ulcer Treatment".

(Boots is the number one drug store chain in the UK.)

FLR • 2006.05.03
has anyone had a canker sore that lasted for more than a month, it is also causing pain in my ear...any one have any ideas what this could be i cannot really see it the sore but i can feel it it is behing my wisdom tooth.

LISA • 2006.05.07
If you can't get the bottle, and can only get the single use applicator, save your bottle or get a tiny bottle & try this:
--Cut off the bottom q-tip.
--Snap the top q-tip as the instructions suggest.
--Watch the debacterol drain into your bottle. You have a few treatments out of one single use applicator now. Using a paintbrush, I have made it through about 6 canker sores on one single applicator.

Juli [Jumoe51 cxe yahoo punkto com] • 2006.05.17
I was in the UK about a month ago and purchased some HybenX in Boots. They didn't have it in the small Boots that I stumbled into on the Strand, but they called around and found it at a large one in Picadilly Circus right under the famous neon sign. (Or is LED today?)

It's called "Boots Mouth Ulcer Treatment" and comes in a pack with only 3 swabs. It says with "HybenX techology" on the side of the box and the liquid is "Made in the USA", which is a bit odd since I thought they licensed it to Galpharm. The bad news is the price: GBP 10. So about $5 per applicator.

Good tip about draining the applicator. I think I will save my last debacterol bottle and fill it with some of the swab juice. The bottles that I bought in 2001 contained 0.75 ml and would last maybe 10 applications. The swabs contain 0.2 ml.

So it costs ~$25 per ml or $25,000 per liter. Hmmmm... pretty big mark up for some acid, eh?

Too bad that Epien has gone from incompetent to greedy. If they had some sense they could sell this stuff in volume at a reasonable price.

I wish someone else would make something similar. It's not exactly a hi-tech product and patents on this are a joke.

FLR [FLR cxe anon punkto com] • 2006.06.17
Oh, anyone who travels to continental Europe (I buy it in Scandinavia and Germany) should buy Zendium toothpaste. It's a high quality SLS free toothpaste and it's not overpriced like some of the specialty US products.

Actually, I recommend a product from a small company in Philly called Squiggle. Their product is similar if not better than Zendium and sell via mail order.

http://www.dentist.net/enamelsaver.asp

However, it looks like it's become quite expensive. I bought some directly from the manufacturer in 2001 and the price was OK if you bought it in large quantities.

Zendium is priced similar to regular toothpaste. About $3.xx a tube depending on the exchange rate. It's also an excellent toothpaste for dental care purposes. The SLS free stuff that I found in CVS was expensive and lousy.

FLR [FLR cxe anon punkto com] • 2006.06.17
I keep hoping eventually they'll just quit dilly-dallying and make Debacterol accessible to the public - but maybe they're just afraid that the average moron will cauterize his tongue off.
Nonetheless - you can find the singledose applicators in packs of 5 at both drcharlessmilecenter.com and http://www.kingsizedeals.com/canker_sores/debacterol.html
I'm going to 'refill' my empty bottle as suggested above.

I just really need to find one of these unethical dentists everyone talks about to sell me the real deal.

There's nothing else like it.

anonymous debacterol addict • 2006.06.19
I have been an mouth ulcer sufferer for about eight years. I recently discovered that it is a reaction to fragrances. I thought this might be helpful to some. Does anyone find that their breakouts occur when near fragrances (cleaners, candles, perfume)? I've noticed that as long as I stay clear of fragrances (which is extremely hard to do), my mouth stays clear.

GIve it a try.

Erica • 2006.06.29
I have been working with Debacterol for 17 years, as a hygienist. I have had patients hug me, as they get up from my chair. My trick, for my own small stash, for making it last longer: I use a plastic fork, break off all but 1 tine, dip it lightly in the Debacterol. None is wasted. The Debacterol, will not hurt the healthy tissue, if only left for 10 seconds.

My next tip, is BIOTENE toothpaste. It does not contain Sodium Laurel Sulfate, and is found at most discount stores ie Walmart. If it isn't on the shelf, the pharmacy can order it for you, and get it usually in 2 days.

ahygienist • 2006.07.16
This PR from November indicates that HybenX will be available soon OTC at Boots in the UK. (Boots is the number one pharmacy chain in the UK....) Good news but Epien is the worst run company and it moves like a snail. I remember that they announced in 2001 that Debacterol was on the verge of going OTC, but it never happened.

FLR • 2006.07.27
Here are some facts based on my quest to find Debacterol:

The manufacturer, Epien, has another product they call HybenX that comes only as a single application cotton swab like the Debacterol. It is sold in Canada as "Oral Medic" and in Europe as "Aphte Relief". Even though Epien's web site says that it is available as an OTC, I was not able to find any Canadian pharmacy that carried it. When I called the company, I was told that they have the approval, but they have not yet started marketing it. They said that in a few months, it should be available in Canada. Being in New York state, I can make a trip to Ontario or Quebec to get it. They also said that they are about to get the OTC status in the US shortly.

Your dentist or any physician can order it in either 1.5cc bottle or the 12-pack swabs in the mean time. They each cost about $40-50 depending on the distributor the dentist uses. My dentist ordered me a box at his cost. There really isn't much cost difference between the bottle and the applicator form. The 1.5cc bottle supposed to provide 12-14 applications.

I also came upon a home remedy that seemed to work. Slightly moisten a cotton swab, dip it in kosher (or any other large grain) salt, apply it to the ulcerated area. It burns like HELL! Probably worse than Debacterol, and you will need a few applications for a few days. The salt seems to cause a chemical cautherization as Debacterol does.

Altan • 2006.07.27
I have tried everything and DEBACTEROL is the best available in the U.S. You can get it in single-use swab form (much cheaper) from a dentist or any other clinician. They can order it direct from the EPIEN company. It IS LEGAL to sell to customers in the swab form. The bottles are only sold to professionals. A new version (doesn't stink!) has come out in England at BOOTS and may come out in the U.S. in a year or so....

WB • 2006.07.28
I have tried everything and DEBACTEROL is the best available in the U.S. You can get it in single-use swab form (much cheaper) from a dentist or any other clinician. They can order it direct from the EPIEN company. It IS LEGAL to sell to customers in the swab form. The bottles are only sold to professionals. A new version (doesn't stink!) has come out in England at BOOTS and may come out in the U.S. in a year or so....

WB • 2006.07.28
I have suffered for years with canker sores. I have been using debacterol and LSL free toothpaste for the past couple years but still get sores regularly. However - I just tried L-LYSINE, B-12, Folic acid suppliments after reading other posts on this site and it has been working great so far (only 2 weeks now) but I had been getting them regularly and now they're gone!

Gary • 2006.07.31
There is one FDA-approved treatment just for canker sores. It's called APHTHASOL(AP-tha-sawl). It's been hard to find over the years, but any Dentist can write a prescription. It is a paste that you dab on throughout the day. If you start treating right away, the ulcers don't even form. It also doesn't hurt when you use it. Check it out at www.aphthasol.net.

Brian • 2006.08.06
Debacterol is available OTC at Walgreens in the pharmacy dept. I had this insanely huge canker sore from metal brackets rubbing on my gums (brackets & wires are part of treatment for a broken jaw - the result of my dentist removing my wisdom tooth!) and the ONLY thing that gave me any relief was Debacterol. Walgreens sells the single dose swab for $5. It's well worth the price if you ony need it occasionally.

Jane [janerobbins cxe gmail punkto com] • 2006.08.11
Do you have to have a script for the Debacterol? Also I have heard a silver nitrate stick works too and you can find them on Ebay. I have a horrible one on my tongue and I want to shoot someone---it is making my throat and my ears hurt and I have not ate in 2 days. Went to the DR---he gave me Kenalog----I am waiting for the script---so I have not used yet. He is the most horrible doctor!

Andrea Reeves [andreascottemma cxe bellsouth punkto net] • 2006.08.22
Do you have to have a script for the Debacterol? Also I have heard a silver nitrate stick works too and you can find them on Ebay. I have a horrible one on my tongue and I want to shoot someone---it is making my throat and my ears hurt and I have not ate in 2 days. Went to the DR---he gave me Kenalog----I am waiting for the script---so I have not used yet. He is the most horrible doctor!

Andrea Reeves [andreascottemma cxe bellsouth punkto net] • 2006.08.22
Debacterol works best for me.. although i got it wrong and waited almost 15 seconds before I wash it off. Now I can see black burns in the site of the canker sore.. but no more pain..

Ronald Lecitona [exmanalista cxe yahoo punkto com] • 2006.09.15
I get ulcers as do my kids. I used to stop eating because it hurts so much. Now I eat more protein and less carbs/sugars and they go away. Found that out staying with a relative on Atkins. I almost feel like it's an oral yeast infection and the sugar feeds them.

I am going to supplement with Lysine and eat my chicken. NO SODA!

Cassy [cassytrue cxe yahoo punkto com] • 2006.09.19
I have suffered with these mouth ulcers for 25 years and tried everything i could think of to try to ascertain what the cause was (and also how to get rid of them once thay appeared). Over-the-counter products were a waste of money and the best thin gi found which helped was 'Orabase' which was only good at night-time becasue it makes a right mess of your lips sticks to your teeth. I am currently trying to avoid Gluten foods which seems to have prevented alort of ulcers but still get the odd one or two. The doctor is useless and i was about to try patches which have just come out for 'Cold-sores' to try to use these as a plaster for the ulcer. Anyway, my local pharmacist sold me Galpharms Ulcer treatment (£10) which is as described in earlier post (cotton buds with stuff in them). Have applied one dose today and its completely stopped the ulcer from giving me pain to the area. Cant believe it! alot of money to buy but well worth it considering the pain! Very informative comments in the previous posts. Thanks

Leigh • 2006.11.10
I never had any problems with these sores before this last 2 months--but then I received a kidney transplant just last winter.

Previously, sores appeared due to mechanical trauma--usually biting my cheek, and stayed small and mostly painless.

For the past 2 months I have suffered from 10-15mm sores on my inside lips.

My pharmacist at the transplant clinic recommended Debacterol, which I then tried to find locally. None of my local pharmacists, save one, had heard of it. That one ordered it and told me I would have it in the morning.

Unfortunately, the wholesaler was out, so in the morning (Friday) I was faced with starting over trying to find a pharmacy that carries it (I would have tried dentists, but all of our local dentists seem to take Fridays off!)

Since it was painful and difficult to talk on the phone, after about a half hour I decided that driving the 75 miles up to the transplant clinic and 75 miles back in order to get relief NOW rather than in 2-3 days, jumped in the car and drove to my transplant clinic pharmacy, which actually had it in stock (though the first 2 packs she pulled expired last month--I would have taken them! H2SO4 doesn't really "go bad"!

It works.

I treated my mouth with 10% benzecaine first, but it did not appear to make any difference as far as pain was concerned (still hurt like hell. Despite the instructions warning that it will “sting”…)

I rinsed with a solution of baking soda (sodium bicarbonate.) In general, I found that frequent rinses with this solution helped keep the pain under control, as did coating the sore afterward with vegetable oil (I used sesame seed oil, which I found recommended for the sores by a Vedic (Indian) source--figured it wouldn't hurt, and it did seem to help.

In researching gum disease and these sores, I found that maintaining a slightly basic (pH above 7) mouth keeps the microorganisms in the mouth in a relative balance--the disease and caries (cavity) causing bacterial are more acid-resistant, and tend to "take over" when the pH rises above about 3.4. After reading this I have begun a routine of such rinses through the day.

Soda pop is probably the worst offender I can see for mouth problems, it is acidic and sugary--the sugar contributes to acidity because several of the microorganisms in the mouth thrive on sugar and produce acidic waste products. Additionally, it tends to be drunk on a rather continuous basis—constant feeding. Beer and ales probably have similar concerns.

Silver nitrate ought to be as effective.

Next time (if God forbid there is one!) I may try silver nitrate, as it tastes better than creosote (but I bought an extra treatment of Debacterol "just in case." Cost was $6 per treatment.

As an aside, I discovered that Debacterol is manufactured in St. Paul, MN which is only 50 miles from me! And yet none of my local pharmacies had heard of the stuff!

Charles [cbarnard cxe wizodd punkto com] • 2006.11.18
For over 2 years now I have been affected by canker sores. I have been seen by a dentist on numerous accounts, I have seen at least 4 doctors an no one has been able to help me with this terrible disorder. In my experience most doctors do not even know what canker sores look like. Even worse many people who have cronic canker sores are diagnosed with other illnesses such as herpes, cold sores, and thrush, all of which have no foundation in medicine. In my opion doctors and dentists are not taught in very much detail about canker sores simply because so few percentage of the population has a problem with them.

So what really causes canker sores.
STRESS!!!!!

Bitting your tongue or inside of your mouth.

Teeth grinding (such as when you are asleep)

Sugar (excess)

Germs.

In my case all of the above have caused canker sores.

WHAT HELPS
For Pain:
KANKA has helped some to relieve pain but needs to be applied every 15 to 30 mins, but is not that helpful.

Canker Cover: CAUSES MORE PAIN AT TIMES but is very effective on large sores.

THINGS THAT DONT WORK
Oragel
Salt water
Vitamins
Lysine
Herbal Oils
Canker RID (horrible)

After reading other posts I am hoping to use DEBACTEROL.

I am hoping it will work.

Just as a thought, canker sores in my professional opion are sores that are causes by trama to the soft tissue of the mouth. This trama is can be causes by very small organism or large debris. The canker sore is the bodies way of telling us there is a problem, very much like a reflex, the sore shape and pattern is not determined by the trama source but by human genetics. As long as one can keep trama due to from anything from germs to dinner forks for damaging their mouth the ulcers known as canker sore will go away.

Thomas [harpsichord2004 cxe aol punkto com] • 2007.01.24
I too have suffered mouth sore misery for many, many years. When I was small, early 70s, my dad used the silver nitrate stick on us and the sores were gone in a day or two. But since they took that off the market I have every doctor and dentist for help to no avail.

Until yesterday, my new dentist used Debacterol and today my sores are completely painless. They're not pretty, kind of bluelish looking, but no pain! I'm excited that it worked so well, but kind of mad that it has been on the market for 7 years and I just found out about it yesterday!

Hopefully I can get some for home use. Good luck everyone.

John Templeton [ajtemple cxe yahoo punkto com] • 2007.02.15
I have had canker sores all my life and I have discovered chocolate covered nuts break me out. I also have break outs with biting or extensive dental work. I changed my toothpaste and take Lysine when I have a flair up. It seems to help. Still looking for a better cure or solution.

Barbara Boswell [barbara punkto rushton cxe gmail punkto com] • 2007.02.19
I have used debacterol and it is a miracle cure, but very expensive. I just put it in a baggie and freeze it after using. Don't laugh, it works. Just be sure to thaw it out for a few moments the next time you use it.I have also sealed in a bag for seal a meal. We must be frugal with this little delicacy!!!

brenda • 2007.03.02
I have had these sores since I was in 4th grade - MAN, they HURT! I haven't really found anything that really helps it, but I have found that anything with Citric Acid tends to aggravate the severity and number as well as frequency of them. I noticed once in high school that I got four or five of the worst ones of my life when I ate a pack of Starburst (they have citric acid) and when I was in college I ate a bunch of oranges on a weight loss kick and got them - worst EVER - on the back of my throat. Completely closed up my throat and the doctor had to treat them with a silver nitrate stick, which just killed ALL the tissue surrounding them.
Anyway, I thought it might help you guys - avoid anything with Citrus fruit or citric acid in it, or at least seriously cut back. It might help, I know these things make you unable to talk, smile, eat, and you just look cranky and hungry ALL DAY!

Molly • 2007.03.07
Good heavens they hurt. I always get them right on the end of my tongue. When they strike I talk with a lisp and sound like a drunken idiot...

Nothing, I repeat nothing helps once they form. I am thrilled to hear for this debacterol.

If you catch it early (first sign, you have maybe about 2 hours) Valtrex works.

ME • 2007.04.23
Thank you so much. I don't feel so alone. I have spent the past two hours in the e.r. in tears because of the pain. Got the P.A. to write me a script for prednisone and Valtrex... hopefully to cover viruses and autoimmune disorders. Wish I read this forum before, but will call doc about Debacterol tomorrow. I also use Kanka which does help. I also have a script for Viscous Lidocine which really doesn't help the pain longer than 20 minutes. Nystatin is useless. Anybody had any success with antibiotics? Man, I would drink cow poop tea if it would get rid of these. Again, thanks so much for your tips. This is much better than any of the doctors I have seen for this.

Tammy [fletcherdt cxe msn punkto com] • 2007.06.18
I am a dental hygientist and would like to know if any of you who suffer with these ulcers have stomach ulcers, h. pilori or reflux? And do you also get a black stain along your teeth at the gumline? I have noticed in some patients with such problems to have stain and frequent ulcer outbreaks? And YES Debacterol is the best! But does hurt like the dickens. But so do the ulcers and the pain from the treatment subsides after rinsing with water.

Teresa [tclifton cxe gvec punkto net] • 2007.06.29
I have suffered with intermittent moth ulcers for ages and can recommend Squiggle (the SLS free toothpaste) as definitely being better than normal toothpaste that will aggravate and prolong an ulcer.

I have been free of ulcers for about 5 months but was down with a cold last week and then went on a trek around London for hours which wore me out - result 3 lovely ulcers. This time 2 under the tongue so more painful than I ever remember.

To stop the pain I used the usual 'UlcerEase' liquid which is basically the best anesthetic I have come across and helps them to heal faster. Also did the salt on the ulcer treatment (painful but does also quicken healing) plus Xylitol sugar on the ulcers too (this acts as a benign antibacterial).

Still more pain than I cared for so I looked up the Boots Mouth Ulcer Treatment ("made in the US with HybenX technology") and gave it a try.
It does have 3 acids as its ingredients so I had an idea it would - hurt - well it did! tears were coming from my eyes as it went on!

It seems to burn off the top layer and seals it so the pain is indeed reduced - for me by about 80% straight away - and 6 hours later its still stopping the pain. Hoorah!

Some might be put off by the pain on application but its overall better than the ongoing ulcer pain for days.

Note I paid £6.99 for 3 applications (one application (swab) is good enough to use on 3 or 4 ulcers).

Al [x232 cxe hotmail punkto com] • 2007.07.03
I used to get canker sores constantly, but for the last five-years-plus neither I nor my husband (who also would get sores regularly) have had a single sore. And yes, we eat peaches and pineapple and popcorn and nacho chips. What we did is start drinking "green drink" every morning. Green drink is something we learned about at a Tony Robbins seminar; he doesn't recommend it to eliminate canker sores, but to "alkalize" the body to help prevent all sorts of problems. I don't know about "alkalizing" but we can tell you that drinking green drink daily has eliminated our canker sores, so it's probably doing other good things for us.

The "green drink" we use is Greens Today made by Organic Frog. It is available at a lot of natural foods stores (like Wild Oats), but we order it by the case online. It is just lots of freeze-dried chopped up vegetables, herbs, and seaweeds.

Give it a try. Buy one can (you mix the powder with water or juice) and use one scoop every day for a month and see if your sores don't go away and not come back. (But you have to keep using it every day after that if it works for you)

Oh, by the way, it's a preventive, not a cure. It won't make sores you already have go away faster or hurt less, it will prevent new ones from forming.

Diane [dhmjdds cxe aol punkto com] • 2007.07.03
I have suffered with intermittent moth ulcers for ages and can recommend Squiggle (the SLS free toothpaste) as definitely being better than normal toothpaste that will aggravate and prolong an ulcer.

I have been free of ulcers for about 5 months but was down with a cold last week and then went on a trek around London for hours which wore me out - result 3 lovely ulcers. This time 2 under the tongue so more painful than I ever remember.

To stop the pain I used the usual 'UlcerEase' liquid which is basically the best anesthetic I have come across and helps them to heal faster. Also did the salt on the ulcer treatment (painful but does also quicken healing) plus Xylitol sugar on the ulcers too (this acts as a benign antibacterial).

Still more pain than I cared for so I looked up the Boots Mouth Ulcer Treatment ("made in the US with HybenX technology") and gave it a try.
It does have 3 acids as its ingredients so I had an idea it would - hurt - well it did! tears were coming from my eyes as it went on!

It seems to burn off the top layer and seals it so the pain is indeed reduced - for me by about 80% straight away - and 6 hours later its still stopping the pain. Hoorah!

Some might be put off by the pain on application but its overall better than the ongoing ulcer pain for days.

Note I paid £6.99 for 3 applications (one application (swab) is good enough to use on 3 or 4 ulcers).

Al [x232 cxe hotmail punkto com] • 2007.07.04
I have suffered with intermittent moth ulcers for ages and can recommend Squiggle (the SLS free toothpaste) as definitely being better than normal toothpaste that will aggravate and prolong an ulcer.

I have been free of ulcers for about 5 months but was down with a cold last week and then went on a trek around London for hours which wore me out - result 3 lovely ulcers. This time 2 under the tongue so more painful than I ever remember.

To stop the pain I used the usual 'UlcerEase' liquid which is basically the best anesthetic I have come across and helps them to heal faster. Also did the salt on the ulcer treatment (painful but does also quicken healing) plus Xylitol sugar on the ulcers too (this acts as a benign antibacterial).

Still more pain than I cared for so I looked up the Boots Mouth Ulcer Treatment ("made in the US with HybenX technology") and gave it a try.
It does have 3 acids as its ingredients so I had an idea it would - hurt - well it did! tears were coming from my eyes as it went on!

It seems to burn off the top layer and seals it so the pain is indeed reduced - for me by about 80% straight away - and 6 hours later its still stopping the pain. Hoorah!

Some might be put off by the pain on application but its overall better than the ongoing ulcer pain for days.

Note I paid £6.99 for 3 applications (one application (swab) is good enough to use on 3 or 4 ulcers).

Al [x232 cxe hotmail punkto com] • 2007.07.05
For those of you in Canada, all I have to say is track down a pharmacy affiliated with Rexall and ask them to order in some Oral Medic. The pharmacy by my house was able to order it in for me and they received it the next day.

For someone who has been suffering from ulcers for the majority of my post-preteen life, Oral Medic was an absolute miracle.

theirlaw • 2007.08.17
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