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Yahoo 360 timeouts and IM newbiehood

Yahoo 360 is the new social network system from Yahoo and at first glance it's as tired as the rest of them. The parody Sixfoo 660° seems to be right on as far as I can tell: "Finally a way for social networks to stay connected to other social networks and meet interesting social networks like yourself."

Sixfoo 660

Yahoo 360° is using the viral marketing trick learned from Gmail and Orkut that you have to be invited to join while it's still in beta. The artificial scarcity of invitations is a way to drive the buzz. Anyway, if anybody's burning to try it out let me know and I'll invite you.

But that's not why I'm posting this. The thing about Yahoo 360° that's driving me crazy is that I'm getting frequent timeouts or "document contains no data" messages when I try to do anything in it. Uploads almost never work and plenty of other operations fail, too. The problem is not browser-dependent: the same thing happens in Firefox 1.0, Safari, or MSIE 5.0 for Mac. This is on my Powerbook G4 running Mac OS X 10.3.8.

I've had the same problem with a small handful of other services: Orkut, the American Airlines frequent flyer site (but not their regular site) and a couple of library web apps. My ISP is Time-Warner Roadrunner and I do have a wireless router. Having exhausted other ideas, I'm starting to wonder what kind of firewall issues might unite this odd collection of problematic sites. Any suggestions? Or where I could go to debug such an obscure problem? For starters I've tried a couple of Roadrunner boards without success.

In related news, I'm also now experimenting with IM for the first time. Yes, hard to believe that I'd reach such a ripe old age without synchronous messaging, but there you have it. I'm registered as "pztejas" on AIM and "pzriddle" on Yahoo. If you see me online and want to say hi, feel free. One thing I'm wondering about off the bat is: are there technological or cultural or fashion differences between the two that I should be aware of? I can't see myself running them both on a regular basis; will I prove myself cool or lame by picking one over the other?

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Okay, sitting here in Cafe Mundi both Yahoo 360 and Orkut are working fine for me. That isolates the problem to my wireless router and/or Roadrunner.

Are there known firewall issues with Y360 and Orkut? Any odd ports that "Ajax" sites like these are likely to use? How would one know? And where, oh where, is the watering hole for technical discussions about Yahoo 360?

Prentiss Riddle [riddle cxe io punkto com] • 2005.04.03
ah, so that was you the other night - googled "pztejas" and couldn't find anyone of that name.

AIM seems to have more mac users in my world, and it's that much better integrated with the Mac address book than Yahoo. But I couldn't say for certain that there's any culture differences between the two.

If you really want to immerse in instant messaging, get Skype too, and then you'll find yourself with a set of people to make phone calls to for free.

Edward Vielmetti [edward punkto vielmetti cxe gmail punkto com] • 2005.04.04
Thanks, Ed. The latest wrinkle: yesterday AIM was bringing up the spinning beachball of death when Yahoo IM was working fine. If that wasn't a fluke, it will preclude using AIM on my underpowered Mac.

Regarding Skype, I make phone calls for free all the time -- I have a nationwide calling plan on my cell phone with more minutes than I can possibly use. (I'd like to cut back but they carefully set their price points to make that impossible.) And 90% of the long-distance calls I want to make are when I'm away from my desk. So Skype just doesn't seem like a winner in my world. Maybe if I were making a lot of international calls -- but then what I'd want is a way to proxy my international calls so my cell company thinks they're domestic, again a different solution from what Skype offers.

Prentiss Riddle [riddle cxe io punkto com] • 2005.04.04
Hey Prentiss,
I would recommend a multi-protocol IM client. It's nice to be versatile when you want to share your nick with someone who only runs one client.

I used to use Trillian and later Gaim for Windows, but now I'm on Linux and use Gaim. I've heard that Adium is a great multi-protocol client for Mac OSX 10.2 or better. http://www.adiumx.com/index.php is their url... It's GPL licensed (free as in...) and via libgaim supports (I think) Aim, Yahoo, MSN, Icq, Irc, Jabber...

As long as you're checking out IM you might be interested in some of the IRC channels out there; I've learned a lot lately in #wordpress on irc.freenode.net and #ubuntu (a great linux distro). The technically oriented ones generally don't degrade too far too often (=

I don't actually have _that_ many contacts on any IM list, but as far as 'cultures' of each protocol go, I don't think there's a big difference. Aim sometimes is thought of as one that goes with aol.com folks (with the stereotypes that connotes), but probably aim has the highest % of Mac folks since OSX has aim protocol built-in. There are exceptions to every rule of course, and personally, I don't subscribe to any client or network's superiority (although I favor open-source) you should look at wikipedia's entry on "instant messenger" it's very good and includes a _very_ detailed chart comparing the various messengers toward the bottom of the page, as well as some historical notes and a list of other multi-protocol clients.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant_message

michaelm [plantwater cxe gmail punkto com] • 2005.04.04
As far as choice of IM client, it seems to me that it's usually dictated by what the other people with whom you want to communicate are using. I'd second the vote for Trillian, especially since you're on a Mac.

I recently started communicating via AIM again because I have a friend who prefers it to e-mail. I find both Yahoo and AIM unnecessarily intrusive and resource intensive. I tried installing AIM on my WinXP box yesterday. It installed fine, but on restart, it gave me the "I'm not a default IM program, do you want me to be" dialog with the "don't ask again checkbox". Whenever I click anything in that dialog, it goes off into neverland and I have to kill the process in the Task Manager. So much for communicating with that one friend.

I'm not a big fan of IM in general anyway. I find myself getting irritated with it and wanting to resort to using the phone. I can't explain it. I'm fine with e-mail, but when I'm typing and trying to have a conversation in real time, the typing from both ends, especially with someone who's a slow typer (I consider myself average) seems to get in the way and take much longer than I can tolerate.

ttrentham [todo cxe thechunk punkto com] • 2005.04.04
I used to use IM a lot when I was still in university and found it too much of a distraction so I got rid of it. But lately I've realised that a lot of my techie pals have it and use it a lot and it's a very quick way for me to ask somebody a question if they're around and have time. I agree with what the others are saying about Yahoo but I was more willing to download because I already had an existing handle. It was just easy. I'd also argue that there is a greater liklihood of people having a yahoo than one of the ones mentioned above. I'm for anything that doesn't require the other user to have to download something. That's just a pain in the ass.

I was thinking tonight about the idea of going into IM with some basic agenda about what you need to talk about otherwise you can waste the other person's time - unless you've both agreed.

I have yet to see a well defined social contract between IM users. But maybe it's just because I'm a lapsed IM'er.

Mel [chandrasutra cxe gmail punkto com] • 2005.04.05
I used to use IM a lot when I was still in university and found it too much of a distraction so I got rid of it. But lately I've realised that a lot of my techie pals have it and use it a lot and it's a very quick way for me to ask somebody a question if they're around and have time. I agree with what the others are saying about Yahoo but I was more willing to download because I already had an existing handle. It was just easy. I'd also argue that there is a greater liklihood of people having a yahoo than one of the ones mentioned above. I'm for anything that doesn't require the other user to have to download something. That's just a pain in the ass.

I was thinking tonight about the idea of going into IM with some basic agenda about what you need to talk about otherwise you can waste the other person's time - unless you've both agreed.

I have yet to see a well defined social contract between IM users. But maybe it's just because I'm a lapsed IM'er.

Mel [chandrasutra cxe gmail punkto com] • 2005.04.05
Another tech issue data point for Y360: When I responded to the invitation, I got a screen that said "sorry, invitation already acted upon".

Wha??

Ellen [helliemae cxe gmail punkto com] • 2005.04.07
Send me an invite so that I might check it out.
Thanks

Lane [lagbnaft cxe gmail punkto com] • 2005.04.08
Not sure which is better on Mac, but unless you want to hassle with Jabber, Gaim is pretty much the easiest one to deal with. I like it because it'll take ICQ as well.

chaizzilla [chaizzilla cxe yah00 punkto com] • 2005.04.12
Recommend Fire for cross-service IM on OSX

Cheng [cleong cxe yahoo punkto com] • 2005.05.03
If you were still passing out invites, one would be appreciated... thanks much.

Legacy [legacy cxe gmail punkto com] • 2005.06.10
Does anyone know how to get rid of 360? - I hate it and I want my old profile back. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you

Leigh [sureleigh_u_jest cxe yahoo punkto com] • 2005.10.31
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behrouz karbasi zadeh [karbasi_b cxe yahoo punkto com] • 2006.01.09
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